I understand it when a film reviewer doesn't like a movie, is seized by the impulse to eviscerate it at length, and to slur the reputation of its director and all hands in its making. These things happen. Manohla Dargis at the NY Times let us know a few weeks ago what she thinks of Park Chan-Wook's work in an article about a partial retrospective at the BAMcinematek. Now, in case the invective had begun to wear off, she's at it again, zeroing in on Old Boy (2004), which took the director's prize at Cannes last year, and dishing out a smart slap at Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance (2002) while she's at it. Nor does she stop there. She unburdens herself of a sustained rant at people who like Old Boy. ". . . it's no surprise that Mr. Park's largest fan base may be those cult-film aficionados for whom distinctions between high art and low are unknown, unrecognized and certainly unwelcome." (This from a woman who loved Million Dollar Baby.) Did you catch that slippery "may" in there? It allows Dargis to say, in effect, that such deadheads are Park's fan base, but gives her a weasel-word verb to back out if it seriously steams anyone.
I liked Old Boy a lot, but would never have imagined myself as a c-f afic., or supposed that I failed to know and support the distinctions she mentions. Not that I think Dargis is out to insult some ancient blogger personally, since she has real fish to fry. Consider: "The fact that Old Boy is embraced by some cinephiles is symptomatic of a bankrupt, reductive postmodernism: one that promotes a spurious aesthetic relativism (it's all good) and finds its crudest expression in the hermetically sealed world of fan boys. (At this point, it's perhaps worth pointing out that the head of the jury at Cannes last year was none other that Quentin Tarantino.)" When in doubt, trash QT. That sentence is followed immediately by this one: "In this world, aesthetic and moral judgments--much less philosophical and political inquiries--are rejected in favor of a vague taxonomy of cool that principally involves ever more florid spectacles of violence."
I realize that Dargis is not writing anything like film criticism and so cannot be held to customary critical standards, but even a newspaper reviewer might be expected to provide more information than a couple of bones from the plot skeleton. Like, for instance, the fact that this film, following on its predecessor, is about the lust for vengeance--how it poisons human decency, distorts the ability to live in the real world, and leads to self-destruction as surely as the retribution it may (or may not) wreak. Yes, the violence in Old Boy is disturbing and graphic. No, it's not exploitation. How do you recognize that distinction? One way is to watch Sam Peckinpah's Straw Dogs, after having seen Old Boy. Dargis cites Peckinpah as a director who handled violence artfully. In Straw Dogs? The film that Pauline Kael famously, and accurately, characterized as fascism? Such explanations and inquiries would require subtlety, care, and setting aside some space Dargis prefers to give over to colorful snark, which is easier to write anyway.
I haven't gotten around to seeing Oldboy yet, so I don't know if her criticisms are valid for that movie in particular, but she does bring up something that's been bothering me quite a bit about the fanbase for asian films. Not so much the worship of violence part (although that's obnoxious too) but the praise of virtuosity for virtuosity's sake. I like my Branded to Kills and my Ichi the Killers as much as the next guy, but it seems that I'm the only one in my film nerd circles that doesn't consider them to be the be-all and end-all of cinema. I mean, I've seen intelligent people choose Guniea Pig over Tokyo Story...I guess Ozu's cinematography isn't up to the standards of Hino's pseudo-snuff.
Could be that Dargis trashed a movie that does transcend it's genre (like I said, haven't watched it yet), and I strongly disagree with her praise of Peckinpah, but she does bring up some valid points in that review. That said, I'm still planning on going to see Oldboy when it opens in my area. It promises to at least be a fun movie, I'd much rather watch someone plow down a bunch of people with a hammer than have to sit through The Wild Bunch again. And maybe I'll be pleasantly suprised and treated to a new Irreversible or a new Salo, that'll be fine too.
Posted by: Josh Neuhouser | March 26, 2005 at 12:34 PM
A few points. Oldboy is indeed a very good genre piece of sorts, seeing as how it doesn't fit into any particular genre - it is a quasi-thriller/action vehicle with the usual smattering of Asian High Drama. Its like people calling Rancho Notorious a noire - noire elements or not, it's still a Western through and through. That being said, the reason that Oldboy is so good is precisely because Wook is such a good director. Watching this film (and Sympathy...) one knows they are in good hands. His facilitiy with camera movement, the perfect integration of the his shot schematic, pacing, tone, and structure - if only the script had been better. Watching it is like watching someone like Hitchcock or De Palma work - a near perfect accumulation of images unspooled before the unknowing eye - a sense of what is next wonderment. This is why a film like Oldboy walks away with a director's prize, and not screenplay or picture. The film may not have transcended all, but the director transcended the content of the film. Personally, Sympathy is the superior entry, and I eagerly await the third film.
re: Peckinpah
There is nothing Fascist about Straw Dogs. Just like Sarriss unleashed the word pretentious to every film enthusiast, Kael unleashed Fascist. What does fascist mean? Historians have yet to define such mode of government. What Kael meant was Nazi, which, obviously, is inappropriate. This was one of those obvious examples where she was pushing buttons to get a reaction, and totally missed the point of the film, misreading it as many did.
Straw Dogs is a primo deconstruction of masculinity gone crazy. It is about offensive violence - Hoffman is not the hero despite Hollywood Star Precepts, he is the catalyst, protecting the child molester, and provoking the town to attack his house only so he can express his lacking masculinity, and take of the glasses so to speak. Susan George, as his abused wife, gives the story some moral diginity, but she is provacateur, too. The only difference is no one dies by her sword. It is a stunningly complex exchange of glances and mannerisms, exceptionally balanced by Peckinpah.
Posted by: dave | March 27, 2005 at 10:55 AM
armond white also laid into oldboy this week
http://nypress.com/18/12/film/ArmondWhite2.cfm
while i don't think it's a terribly good word to use, "fascist" is at least a little more meaningful than "pretentious"
Posted by: andrew s | March 27, 2005 at 05:31 PM
Well, if Dargis had issues with "Old Boy" she will melt down completely when she catches Robert Rodriguez' "Sin City". Bounce over to AICN. Harry Knowles has his review up, and he's positively spurting. His review is a turbo-charged wet dream. I can't wait for NYC's own Armond White to get his teeth into this one.
Posted by: KJ | March 29, 2005 at 01:27 PM
Well, if Dargis had issues with "Old Boy" she will melt down completely when she catches Robert Rodriguez' "Sin City". Bounce over to AICN. Harry Knowles has his review up, and he's positively spurting. His review is a turbo-charged wet dream. I can't wait for NYC's own Armond White to get his teeth into this one.
Posted by: KJ | March 29, 2005 at 01:30 PM
I like the distinctions you make and your restraint in talking about critics like Manohla Dargis.
Most people I know who love film approach it from the direction of film enthusiasm and not Film Criticism-- Besides, who loves exactly the same movies as anyone else-- or for the same reasons-- there's can be no aesthetic relativism because there can be no aesthetic absolutism, never was, no canon or master list that does not change over time. And that is just a fact. Read old film books or look at old Academy Awards (if you grant them merit, and I don't) most of the supposed greats have dimmed considerably or been forgotten, or if they survive they seem to be describing different films and directors. Like Griffith and Hitchcock. It's the spectator that completes the work, Duchamp said, and spectators change, and the uses we put films in our own lives changes. That's not anyone who wears a POMO t-shirts fault (or credit)-- they are just pointing out the obvious. Trashing somebody is almost always a waste of time-- unless you can be funny, and you manage NOT to trash Manohla Dargis (letting her actions speak for themselves) with a nice bit of humor about Million Dollar Baby, I agree with.
What I appreciate about sites like this and Green Cine is that it is based in enthusiasm, curiosity, emotion and love for the art of film. Its not about cool or correct or canon. Rather what you see is a consensus around certain questions, directors, films and trends, that emerges. The comments here are part of that. Comments from those who have watched certain films creates a traveler's sense of topos for those new or returning to same place: skip Mexico city in the summer and Berlin in the winter. And yes not liking certain aspects is part of our response to place-- but why go there when there are so many great places to visit-- and why write about bad travels/films it if you have such a platform as the NY Times, is beyond me.
Now I really want to see those Park Chan-Wook films.
Posted by: Paul Simon | March 29, 2005 at 04:05 PM
Manohla Dargis is typically more interested in displaying her wit, caustic as it is, than in fairly assessing film.
I am reminded of when Francis Ford Coppola, after receiving a critical lambasting for "One from the Heart," questioned the purposefulness of critics who work so hard to eviscerate moviemakers taking risks and facing challenges. I think it's a salient point.
There's certainly no harm in spirited bashing, but bad or incompetent filmmaking is not quite the same thing as, say, a bad or incompetent doctor or engineer. Sometimes critics just get goofy with the degree of venom they dispense.
Some filmmakers, you could argue, are "dangerous" in the sense of poisoning culture (Vincent Gallo comes to mind, say), but those cases seem pretty few and far between.
Posted by: Chase | March 30, 2005 at 01:10 PM
Why would Armond go and reveal the twist of Oldboy? Is that anything more than a desperate measure? Granted, I'm not a "professional" critic, just a guy with a blog, but I find that highly disrespectful.
Posted by: Filmbrain | March 30, 2005 at 05:52 PM
Old Boy won the Grand Prix (a.k.a. second place), not Best Director, at Cannes.
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Posted by: Carter Balderas | June 20, 2007 at 06:13 PM
The judge who put coded messages in his Da Vinci Code plagiarism trial ruling has written another.
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The first stage of a £150m investment in regional museums is praised for boosting visitor numbers.
Posted by: Juan Mclaughlin | June 21, 2007 at 04:09 AM
Classical singer Russell Watson postpones his forthcoming UK tour after undergoing brain surgery.
Posted by: Emanuel Perez | June 22, 2007 at 02:56 PM
The Red Hot Chili Peppers are leading the way at this years MTV Europe music awards with four nominations.
Posted by: Jeremiah Boss | June 22, 2007 at 04:53 PM
The Red Hot Chili Peppers are leading the way at this years MTV Europe music awards with four nominations.
Posted by: Jeremiah Boss | June 22, 2007 at 04:54 PM
Classical singer Russell Watson postpones his forthcoming UK tour after undergoing brain surgery.
Posted by: Allen Mosby | June 22, 2007 at 06:04 PM
Classical singer Russell Watson postpones his forthcoming UK tour after undergoing brain surgery.
Posted by: Allen Mosby | June 22, 2007 at 06:04 PM
Record company EMI sign a deal with the estate of crooner Dean Martin to use the singer's likeness.
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Record company EMI sign a deal with the estate of crooner Dean Martin to use the singer's likeness.
Posted by: Marquise Fitch | June 22, 2007 at 06:50 PM
Singer George Michael lends the piano on which John Lennon wrote Imagine to an anti-war exhibition.
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