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Flickhead

I remember my first taste of Bergman was in the late '60s, when the PBS station in New York (WNET) ran a week-long festival. Each day I'd tune in, mostly out of curiosity. The one picture that stood out above all the others was THE SILENCE, and it continues to hold a special relevance for me to this day. Mostly nostalgic, perhaps, but it is beautifully made.

In my university film class, we were shown WILD STRAWBERRIES at least a half dozen times, and learned the art of filmed dreams, fantasies, longings and desires. Do universities still use Bergman in this manner?

After such a run of excellent films in the '50s and '60s, Bergman certainly has a right to retire. Whereas Manoel de Oliveira, who just began to hit his stride in his seventies, continues to make movies like a man possessed -- and I believe he's older than Bergman!

Campaspe

Bunuel also made some of his best movies late in life. I often think of this when I get depressed over, say, "Gangs of New York."

I think people are starting to look at Hitchcock a bit more critically than before, some even going so far as to call him overrated (Tom Shone, for one). I think Bergman's reputation will have a resurgence in the next five years or so. He's only one or two major retrospectives away from it. Perhaps I am naive, but all you have to do is SEE Bergman to appreciate his genius.

Meanwhile, with pious patience I sit in my corner of the Web, awaiting the Max Ophuls revival.

Peter Nellhaus

For U.S. viewers, I think a good part of the reason why Bergman and Fellini may not have the visibility of Hitchcock is due to the extinction of the kinds of art theaters that periodically showed retrospectives or had showings of certain classics every couple of years or so in smaller cities. The latter Hitchcock gets shown fairly often on TCM, whereas foreign films are not shown as frequently. Hitchcock's contemporary, Howard Hawks, seems to have faded. Leone is still discussed, but not Donald Siegel. I'm hoping 20th Century Fox puts their Frank Tashlin films on DVD. Back to Bergman, I do have Persona in my collection. Cries and Whispers was Bergman's biggest hit because Roger Corman put Bergman in the drive-in.

burritoboy

Flickhead,

Nowadays, film studies programs don't devote much time to film history. You generally have to take only a two-semester film history sequence and most people do American film history. (Then there are some electives, but that hardly means you'll necessarily watch much Bergman in your electives, either.) Unless you seek Bergman out, you won't have much exposure to him.

David

In fact, there was a six-week Bergman retrospective just a year ago at the Film Forum in New York. Anthony Lane wrote a rather nice review of it at http://www.newyorker.com/critics/cinema/?040614crci_cinema, in which he suggests that perhaps the problem with Bergman is his admirers, who would prefer to sublimate his visions to academics and metaphysics, rather than marvel, more passively, at the astounding beauty with which Bergman bombards us.

Anyway, I'm not entirely convinced that he does get short shrift myself, except that there is very little in cinema to compare to such unique genius, so he ends up getting mentioned far less than, say, Kurosawa or Godard. He doesn't really fit into a critic-easy dialect - but that, I think, is not necessarily a bad thing. It means he's timeless.

Peter Nellhaus

David: Please keep in mind that NYC is one corner of the US. What I refer to is theatrical showings in the 60s and 70s in cities like Denver and Berkeley where the Janus film collections would make the rounds. While Denver, where I lived, has one theater that usually shows individual re-releases of older films, series devoted to one director have not been shown there. In Miami Beach, where I currently live, the "cinemateque" shows projected DVDs. While NYC still has an infrastructure that supports seeing classic films in a theatrical situation, the rest of the country has to pretty much depend on DVDs and video tapes. How DVDs is changing film scholarship has yet to be fully understood. (By the way, I have Serpent's Egg on my Netflix list)

burritoboy

Peter,

No kidding (though Berkeley's PFA is one of the best theaters in the US). Except for the university or museum-connected theaters, there's very limited numbers of theaters now who would do a retrospective - though the Music Box in Chicago did in fact do a Bergman retrospective earlier this year. From what I saw, the box-office was OK, but not exceptional.

I'm not a huge Bergman fan myself.

Hilary

I'm lucky enough to live in Chicago. In the 60s it was an event when the latest Bergman, Fellini or Antonioni was released. I also saw the Janus collection on public television.
Today, in addition to the Music Box, where I recently enjoyed a gorgeous new print of Harold Lloyd's The Kid Brother with full on live organ accompaniment, we have the great resource of The Film Center Of The School Of The Art Institute (I can't bring myself to use it's full title, named after a late local film critic). Then there is Facets Multimedia, which screens films and has an enormous rental library. Northwestern U's Block Cinema and U of Chicago's DOC Films also have excellent film programming.

I'm all for that Ophuls revival. And Hawks is fading? Really? Perhaps critically (not that I'd care), but Hawks the entertainer is never going out of style.

It's rather sad to think that "Nowadays, film studies programs don't devote much time to film history." This at a time when more of film history is readily available in one format or another. If I had TCM when I was a younger I would never have seen the sun.

So, are we ready for that Hitchcock brawl?

Josh

Hawks is fading...fading...faded. Outside the Internet, I've never met a single person who's into him.

And I have to confess that I've never actually even *seen* a Bergman. Chalk it up to the younger generation, I guess...I keep meaning to see The Seventh Seal or Wild Strawberries, but never got around to it. Because, well, he's just dropped off so much that no one will think I had any gaps in my knowledge for skipping his films and I've never really heard enough to get me interested. Same with Antonioni, but I've finally started getting into his stuff. Fellini I don't see so though. Sure, he's not as popular as Hitchcock, but his films still get watched by people.

I guess I'm really lucky to live in Seattle, where we've got some great rep houses - just this year there was an Ozu retrospective complete with live accompaniment for his silent films. We've also had ones recently for Ray Harryhausen and Aki Kaurismaki.

And even though it wasn't your point, it's really refreshing to see someone with the same opinion on Hitchcock.

Hilary

Josh,

I don't know anyone who DOESN'T like a Hawks film--though they may not know his name. Bringing up Baby, His Girl Friday, The Big Sleep, Red River....

johnson

let me start the brawl by saying that being a second-rater in cinema is a compliment and an advantage. in nature, it's equivalent to being a scavenger.

the question is, who is the second-rater of bergman? if hitchcock and anthony mann were the second rate hollywood cinema.

the ironic thins about hitchcock is that people from academic backgrounds to hollywood tycoons talk about him in the same revelry tone.

to be continued...

AlexAtEyekyu

My first taste of Bergman was last October with "Scenes From A Marriage". It hurt, but it left a sweet taste in my mouth. I then rented "Passion of Anna" and that HURT and gratuitously it seemed. I don't think I had ever seen human despair represented with so much intensity in any other film. It was masterful in that respect. But it wasn't a pleasant experience for me. I felt I was invited to dinner and the chef served the only thing I despise tasting. But that's because I was emotionally charged having undergone my brother's death two weeks prior to the viewing. I enjoy some brand of optimism in my art. I hope other Bergman has some.

Hilary

johnson,

Woody Allen wants to be Bergman. Try sitting through Interiors, surely a second rate Bergman. Similarly, DePalma is the second rate Hitchcock, though quite a few directors have done their Hitchcock impression.

The habit of rating, or top ten listing is troublesome to me. Sure, if pressed I could make a top ten list of favorite directors-- but even if he didn't make the list I wouldn't call Hitchcock a "second-rater". Even if he was "merely" an entertainer, he was a singular talent. Who did Hitchcock better than he? And while he learned from the Germans I'd hardly call him a "scavenger". Mann's themes and style are also his own, and I can't think of another director who could have made his films.

We're past the dismissal of genre filmmakers--is this the critical backlash against the "overating" of them?

Awaiting round two...

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